Hay have you seen graded pins?????
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Graded Pins Good Or Not????????????
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 deadend4pins |
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Posts: 4 (04/19/08 03:01 PM) |
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curiouserANDcuriouser |
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Posts: 11672 (04/19/08 03:06 PM) insert title here |
 Sounds great for the grading company... not so great for those who have
thousands of pins. (or at least their wallets!)
Jes "Simply Mad" 
Pins I Want Pins for Trade "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" -- Adam Savage Top 5 Most Wanted:    
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deweythecat |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 43 (04/19/08 03:27 PM) |
I've never heard of such a thing for pins! I mean...I've heard of this for Comics and Baseball Cards but nothing such as the collectable we all
collect.
As for me...I wouldn't consider spending that kind of moolah on grading my pins. Not only would it severely cut into my pn budget, but how can you be sure that your pins will arrive to where they need to be to get graded and return home in the same condition? ~* Noreen*~
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 1 (04/19/08 05:03 PM) |
I think this is a good idea especially for the high end pins with so many fakes out there. that this might be able to weed them out and at least have a better
change of getting the real deal. and y not do it for pins since they do it for so many other thing like autographs, cards, books..... stuff l;ike that so i say
its a good thing for everybody.
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RCPINS |
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Posts: 74 (04/19/08 05:14 PM) |
Wait I am confused? What kind of grading? Are they grading the condition of the pin or grading the value on its rarity? I think that pin book that they sell in
Disneyland, (guide book) Rates pins by letter value too .
Can someone more clairfy this sounds interesting THANKS |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 2 (04/19/08 07:23 PM) |
What i was told is that they grade them by a number system from 1-10 10 being the best and also to determine that it is a real pin not one of the many fakes
out there. They are incased in a tamper-proof package and it has its own serial number so you can look it up on there server to make sure that it matched what
your getting! I was told it cost $13 to grade them.
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curiouserANDcuriouser |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 11674 (04/19/08 08:28 PM) insert title here |
I don't like the idea of having pins in tamper proof cases... doesn't sound like much fun. No wearing... no rearranging into bags, etc... Jes "Simply Mad"
Pins I Want Pins for Trade "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" -- Adam Savage Top 5 Most Wanted:
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rkyam |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 1283 (04/19/08 09:06 PM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
Bad idea IMO. Just means more money for the grading company and the high end dealer's who will be able to increase the prices of pins beyond the fair
market value citing the grading as the justification.
And who's to say that the grading companies are qualified AND consistent in the way they grade pins? Not having any regulations and agreed upon strict guidelines of the grading process will mean that any grade is subjective as no grading system at all. Grading just emphasizes more the part of the hobby that puts pin dollar value as the most important thing. I for one would rather have more people in the hobby be able to just enjoy their pins for what they mean to them, not some anonymous grader. 
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04/19/08 10:10 PM.
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kandeebunny |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 2455 (04/19/08 10:39 PM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
rkyam wrote:I agree with what Roger said 110%. It really just looks at the overall condition of the pin...how do we know they are qualified to tell if it is real or not?  
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asianway |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 927 (04/20/08 12:13 AM) Electron Beams |
Graded pins = death knell to the hobby. See Comics and baseball cards
And who is doing the grading? I can count on both hands the number of people in this hobby qualified to do this... |
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Jabberwocky |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 2143 (04/20/08 12:30 AM) Cheshirefied |
LOL I remember when they started doing this for beanie babies... it was towards the end of the beanie collecting craze and did seem a last gasp at making money
on the hobby by the companies and individuals who for a fee would 'guarantee' your beanie was the real deal with a sealed case and a C.O.A.
'Twas brillig! Jabberwocky 
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cris0809 |
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Posts: 584 (04/20/08 12:45 AM) Dizpins Social Director
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I think it's absolutely ridiculous. It makes no sense, is too complicated, is too much money, and you are trusting somebody else to determine their value.
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dancecats |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 11538 (04/20/08 12:54 AM) Your Tour Guide, Virgil |
Ditto what Roger, Kristi, and Cristy said.
Stefanie 
  
 
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Ivy CA |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 506 (04/20/08 02:22 AM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
It would be impractical and useless on all but the most expensive pins anyway. But yeah, that's the big thing - who wants pins in tamper proof cases?
Granted, yes, we put a lot of our pins in frames, but at least we put them there and can take them out when we like...
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asianway |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 928 (04/20/08 08:30 AM) Electron Beams |
At least you could still see a pin in this scenario though. The Comic book collectors have bought into this nonsense 100%. And once their collectible is
sealed up, THEY CANT READ IT!!! Whats the point!?
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BIBITBOBITBU |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 470 (04/20/08 10:36 AM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
Comics and cards make sense because they're so delicate. They can bend, rip, fade... Pins are much more resilient. Then you get into the whole issue of the
backer card and mickey head. If they don't have the original ones do you downgrade the pin? Makes no sense. Also, cards and comics have standard sizes for
holders so they fit snugly. Pins don't have standard sizes. Are you going to have 250 different sized plastic cases for your pins? Don't think so. Any
high end pins I have are either in their boxes, or in my pin books under plastic to prevent scratching. I'll eventually get around to framing them and know
they'll be in the same condition I got them in.
If the Ohana aren't into this idea (which it appears we're not), I don't think anyone would be. |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 1162 (04/20/08 03:29 PM) Mom of Twins with Pins! |
I find this entire concept well... um... errr... S-T-U-P-I-D!!! I spend all my spare time trying to get my pins out of boxes and bags and drawers and bins! I
can not even phathom putting them in little plastic thingys to hide them away! I agree with the vast majority on this thread that this type of grading is a
waste!
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deweythecat |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 47 (04/20/08 04:40 PM) |
So many hobbies are buying into the grading thing these days...it's so sad that this is what it comes down to! I'm a firm believer in not grading pins,
mainly because it takes so much enjoyment away from the actual pin, so why bother? I can't hold it, touch it, wear it, frame it or put it in my pin book
without it being encased in an airtight plastic container.
I can attest that there are graders at autograph conventions who, for a price, will give you a certificate of authenticity for the item you just stood in line for and paid upward of $20 to have signed. I think it's rediculous, especially if they're for your own personal collection. ~* Noreen*~
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deadend4pins |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 8 (04/20/08 06:01 PM) |
I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA NOW YOUR NO WHAT YOU ARE GETING WHEN YOU BUY A PIN ON LINE OR WHEN YOU TRADE A PIN ON PINPIC AND YOUR NO THAT THE PIN IS REAL NOT A
FAKE PIN THAT YOU ARE GETING BACK.
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rkyam |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 1284 (04/20/08 06:21 PM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
I didn't mention this earlier, but you never really "know" with 100% certainty that a pin is authentic or graded properly even IF the pin has
gone through the grading process.
I know that with sports card grading, people have been know to get counterfeit cards graded as authentic. Also, experiments were done where a graded card was taken out of the protective case and sent back through the grading process with the same grading company and received a completely different grade. Do you really want to put all your faith in a subjective grading system that does not have any strict and consistent grading process and no accountability for the grade given? 
If there are enough people that would find pin grading something they appreciate and are willing to pay to have done, I think I might have just found a way to fund my pin hobby AND my Disney trips. 
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Dragoneer |
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Dizpins Ohana Member
Posts: 73 (04/20/08 06:44 PM) |
ITA with Roger & everybody else who thinks this isn't such a great idea - and even a waste of money. In the baseball card world, it's an open
secret
that the grade a card receives has more than a little to do with who sends it in for grading - are you a big card dealer? Your card will get a higher grade. Joe Schmoe sends in the exact same card and gets a lower grade. We tested this ourselves when we were looking into getting our cards insured - my husband started collecting cards from the 1900s-1940s when he was a kid & they wer emuch cheaper than they are today. We submitted the same card to the two biggest grading companies and got back a grade of 7.3 from one and 5 from another. We then had a guy we know who is a retired dealer submit it to the same company that gave us a 5, and when he submitted it, it got an 8. |
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