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stitchnitch wrote: 1. The economy; 2. Management changes at the corporate level; 3. The combination of the Us Parks Pin Depts. And yes, I know the considerable strain the staff is under and I am grateful for what they've been able to do, but if Disney (Corp.) does not have it's heart in this anymore I wish it would stop pretending because it's starting to look ugly.
It's clear Disney is pushing vinyls hard. I know how much because I see what Disney PR does for my station. And I get it: it's the potential of a new fan base with lower expectations who will complain less. BUT the earliest supporters were still pin traders. And the new people don't know what they are doing because there is no Scoop to train them. They will flame out fast. You can tell, because the heart just isn't there, and the frustration already is.
Disney needs to be more open with us. I get it, we doth protest too much. But that's what happens when you are suddenly kept in the dark and treated as less important than you were before. And Disney needs to get back out there and take a really guiding hand in the hobby, or there won't be a 20th anniversary.
Oct 13 10 12:15 AM
erudo, you are right on so many levels about the current state of pin trading.
Oct 13 10 4:26 AM
erudo wrote:WE are the ones that keep pin trading going and the negative behaviors are what is bringing it down much more than the quality of events. Lots of traders rarely go to events so I can't believe that their declining quality is the main factor here...
Oct 13 10 8:36 AM
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Oct 13 10 2:48 PM
mjpinlady wrote:I just have one thing to say, when I started pin trading around 2001 I remember we had a pin trading night at the boardwalk resort,It was held under neath the stairs at the boardwalk, imagine there were about 4 to 5 tables and a whole bunch of traders underneath that small space.I can only imagine there were many complains cuz we never had it again, but as a newbie back then I was happy to have a place to trade my pins.So every time we get some sort of pin trading gathering anywhere and we keep complaining, pretty soon Disney is going to give up, because every time they try something new and it doesn't come out perfect we end up complaining.Now we had a ballroom, air condition, like a hundred tables and we still complaining.So just think about it if we want to continue the hobby.MJ
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Oct 13 10 9:08 PM
Well, it's a hobby for us but it's a BUSINESS for Disney. If Disney wants to return to treating us so shamelessly, then I'll simply take my hard-earned money and leave. If Disney gives up on pin trading, they give up on my pin trading money, too!
Oct 13 10 10:34 PM
CAUTION: This is disney5's opinion and you might not like it. We are so disappointed...not with the 10/10/10 event, but with those complaining about the event. Geez, Disney specified precisely what was to be expected at this event days in advance! They delivered exactly that. We are a family of 5 who drove all the way down from northern Ohio just to attend this event. We got to the Yacht Club at 6:15a.m. and were part of the first 90 people awarded the first wave of wristbands. We were thoroughly satisfied with the event! So it's disheartening to come to the boards and see all this negativity when the ONLY complaining any of us heard at the actual event was that everyone wished the event could have been longer because they were having such a great time!Let's review here, people, with what exactly Disney promised on ODPT:Trading Activities (What to expect):We will be offering the following things at this free activity:Two different trading spaces with tables and great lighting. - CHECK!Unique limited edition merchandise created especially for this activity. - CHECK!Sneak preview of upcoming merchandise (limited time). - CHECK!12:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. - Artis Autograph Session with Chris Chapman and Monty Maldovan from Disney Design Group - DOUBLE CHECK!1:01:01 p.m. - Induction ceremony for the Pin Trading Society (all guests will be invite to recite the pledge at the bottom of this page). - CHECK!Yep, looks like they fulfilled everything they promised! Need more persuasion? Okay, here:Accurate parking instructions - CHECK!Wristbands distributed at 7:00a.m. - CHECK! And we'd like to add that the whole process went like clockwork! There were no hiccups. Everyone was courteous with each other in line, at least, that is a first-hand account seeing the first 70 people or so in line. There was a party of 2 locals who tried their best to "buddy-buddy" the people towards the front of the line. But, they were told as politely as possible to go to the back of the line and not to try pulling anything. And they did as told. That was the ONLY line-cutting attempt any of us noticed. (And with stuff being limited to 200, you better believe people were watching out for that!) We were very proud of the respect everyone had for each other in the line. Everything went just as smooth as possible. Disney did a fantastic job dispersing the wristbands and creating a fair and speedy guideline for the wristband levels.All in all, Disney delivered what they said to expect. What more could anyone ask for? For those still grumbling about there being no pin boards, to be honest, we can't see where there was enough room to even hold them at! And with the shortened event time, the amount of merchandise released, and the few cast members who worked it, there really would not have been enough time to even warrant it. Besides, if there were boards, you can bet that our entire family would have been constantly getting in line for them and we would have never actually went out and traded at the tables with others. So the fact that they didn't have boards MADE us get out there and meet people. And boy are we glad that we did! We met absolutely wonderful traders from all over the world and traded for over 40 pins we were wanting! Not to mention we met a couple Dizboards Ohana and we were finally able to match a face to a member name. We had such a great time, we spent a good 90 minutes just standing and chatting it up with one of them! And folks, isn't that what it's all about? Meeting new friends and having interaction with what would normally be just the average theme park guest? It can't just be all about a material possession. Otherwise, pins would've had the same life-span as any other craze - Pogs, trading cards, Beanie Babies, etc. Disney started pin trading 10 years ago without gimmicks and grand pin boards and expensive gifts and nobody even knew of what an Artist Proof even was! And the pin trading took right off!!!! So, what has happened in the past 10 years that makes pin traders feel that a simple, fun pin trading gathering isn't worth attending anymore? Do we need to be bought? We just can't have a fun hobby?And for the record, we'd like to relay some information that was passed on to us and a few other event goers...maybe some of you will have a deeper appreciation for the event and more importantly, the incredibly dedicated pin team... Steven Miller made mention that he too was incredibly disappointed when he was told that all the planning for this grand 10 hour event was going to have to be cut short considerably. He told us that it was suggested that they just cancel the whole event altogether. But he was COMPLETELY against the idea and flatly stated, "NO! That is not even an option". Steven said that there was just no way that they would do NOTHING for the 10th anniversary. He also stated that they knew that people would be disappointed that it was shorter but it was better than canceling. So it was better than nothing at all, right??? And you can't tell us that the passion isn't there in most of the pin team and design artists. Don't believe us? All you have to do is talk - not complain, not demean, not shout at - to any one of these amazingly talented people about the upcoming pins and events and designs. Sometimes it's like people forget that these pins, these events, these activities are put together with a lot of blood, sweat, and tears by actual humans with feelings and self-esteems. It sounds cheesy, but that's the hard facts. And it's about time more people stand up for the pin team! Remember, these cast members had to earn the position that they are in. And there is a REASON why they are still with the company after many many years. Things happen and sometimes plans don't go the way they envisioned them, but that's life and the reality of it. With what they had to work with, we applaud the team for an amazing 10/10/10! We should be GRATEFUL that this and all other PTNs even happen. You know, Disney doesn't HAVE TO put these things on for us. And with the amount of complaints they probably get, we honestly couldn't blame them if they gave it up and said it wasn't worth the headache they go through to put these free things on! Afterall, if they are constantly "getting things wrong" and can't please every single person, why try, right?? Geez, when did pin traders get such a "gimme, gimme, gimme" attitude? Give me boards, give me APs, give me gifts, make it worth MY while! At a FREE event? Give US a break! We can't think of a single company that does more for its customers and loyal fans! Maybe it's time for some to step into the reality outside of Disney! Maybe it's just us, but oddly we don't have the feeling that WE need to be catered to and be given a red carpet entrance the moment we step onto Disney property just because WE buy a particular item of Disney merchandise. Nobody is MAKING US go to Disney and buy pins. Disney offers them for sale to the public and we can choose to buy them or keep on walking! And if we do buy, we don't expect any attachments. There were no promises printed on our sale receipt stating that Disney promises to forever offer free venues and activities in which we can take our newly purchased pins and trade them with other guests or cast members. That's not how a business is run and it's unfair for it's customers to expect that. Once money is exchanged and the merchandise is fulfilled, the business deal is complete! Now if the company decides to hold FREE trading events or other activities for its customers, they should be grateful and enjoy it while it lasts - no matter what the grandeur! Nothing is ever the same nor lasts forever!If a free PTN is a "crumb", we'll take seconds please! And for those who want to say that these free events aren't really "free" for us out-of-state traders, fine. Then the Trade City event wasn't really a $100 event either - it was $1,250! In short, Disney explained what was going to be. If you went expecting more, that's your fault, not theirs. Disney held up their part! YOU chose to go, Disney didn't physically drag you. We went with open minds as to what it would be like. If you go to something with your mind already made up that it will be awful and "nothing more than a glorified ptn" then nothing would have changed your preset opinion.We had an AMAZING time and we don't regret driving from Ohio for the event at all!! We will always look back at 10/10/10 and think of all the fun we had. For those of you that can't do the same, we feel sorry for you.(By the way, yes, it was the case that Scoop had to work his regular appearance on Main Street on 10-10-10.)
I was FRAMED!
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Very Well Said Disney5! I appreciate your insight !WoW! A long drive from Ohio ~ and I was unable to swing the three hour drive this time! I am glad you had a great expreience! You made me wish all the more I could have gone!Tis difficult to convince a husband who can't stand my hobby why it is alright to make a trip to Orlando and back in one day! But that is his only flaw!
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