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In general I agree that the retail price is the least thing you should offer - I have stopped counting how often I had one $ 5 Hidden Mickey offered for the $ 20 D23 Tink.

But there are some pins that you will not get if you offer face value in a trade. That may be me, but I think it's completely ridiculous if one adds a note to a trade request saying "I will trade both pins (in the case I remember current LE 500 releases) to come up with the face value of yours" as if the trader was generous. And then the item the trader wanted from me was one of the "Hot Items of the week" like a pin from one of the latest LE100 Stitch sets. Happened to me and I guess to others too.

Then yes, although I agree that it could be put more friendly, I agree with a reply like "good luck trying to get it for face value."

I've checked every trade offer that had a note "please check my traders and let me know if we can work something out".

But phrasing a note like that... sorry. There's a difference between trade value and face value. You can't just take for granted that you're matching trade value if you're matching the face value like that person did.

Again I agree that trade value is valued differently by everyone. Some are totally over the top, like the demands most people have for the Pinbassador pins from MOP. But again most traders know there's more popular characters and hence more popular pins. Especially if those traders have been around way longer than the person they want to trade with. If they try to get a rare pin for face value then, this just feels wrong to me.

The same trader that made me that generous offer had negotiated with me before about a Paris pins, again at that time the "hot item of the week". I was offered a current $ 6.95 rack pin for a LE 600 pin. Back then the trader seemed desperate and begged me to work something out. I wanted to be nice, looked at their traders and told them "okay, there's another $ 6.95 rack pin that's on my list, if you want to do 2:1 we're alright, that's about what I paid for the pin" - the face value alone of the Paris pins is 11 Euros, trade value aside.

Guess what? I was being shot down for making "unreasonable demands". Again this may have been a matter of different perception of trade value, but I think I was far from being "unreasonable". I thought and still think that the trade was leaning in her favor. And not even two months later she expects me to agree to a deal like proposed above. She offers face value and is expecting me to accept it.

Perfect example for "what is good for the goose should be good for the gander" in my eyes. I really wish some traders would apply the same rules to others that they expect to apply to them.