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Posts: 471 (04/20/08 09:44 PM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
The other issue is that comics and cards have a much larger following and more accurate price guides. Pin prices are very subjective. If we give into grading,
many prices will be set by the grade your pin receives.
Off the rack most pins are in mint condition, or very close. Since comics and cards are printed, folded, and cut there's a lot more that can go wrong. You can go to a comic book store and find differences in 10 of the exact comic book on the shelf in the trimming and folding. That's not the case with most pins. I just don't see the need for it. If a pin has a flaw it's generally obvious. Also, the whole point of Disney pin is TRADING, especially at the parks. Now we're going to demand that you only trade pins in similar condition? I see this as the exactly what the hobby does not need. |
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Posts: 86 (04/21/08 10:30 AM) |
A point I have not seen mentioned here, is insurance valuation. In order to get a rider to cover collectibles, especially with a replacement value, many
insurance companies REQUIRE you to provide the value of the collectibles you are insuring. We have all heard of pin bags being stolen, but how many of you
have insurance on your pins?
Putting on my flame suit, I have worked as a Disney (including pins) Authenticator for a major collectible dealer/auctioneer. It is not an easy job, but a neccessary one when it comes to high end colletibles. If someone wants to pay to authenticate and grade a pin, thats their business. I do not think grading will become the norm, but the exception. Everyone is comparing pins to cards and comics. Big difference is cards, and comics have a much better and more stable valuation parameters. For pins, you really only have two sources for valuating, Ebay and Tomarts. Tomarts, in my opinion is great for the photos but thats it. Someone mentioned that dealers will now inflate prices higher then market prices due to grading. Funny thing is there really is no market price to begin with. Just like in the card world, move on to the next seller if you don't like the pricing. |
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Posts: 731 (04/21/08 11:28 AM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
the Tomart guides with their "value letters" is a "form" of grading. Who will be doing this new grading system????
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Posts: 87 (04/21/08 11:55 AM) |
suzanneb47 wrote: I haven't read a recent Tomart's, but I believe his letter rating is a valuation, not a grading. Does his guide not have an A to F type rating with dollar values assigned to each letter? Grading is usually used to define the overall condition of a collectible, grading does not value a collectible. Whereas valuating, declares or defines a dollar value for that collectible. A common misconception, but grading and valuing, are two completely seperate things. I am only going on the information in this thread, and I haven't seen who is claiming to be the grading agency. |
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Posts: 4 (04/21/08 04:52 PM) |
Yesterday at disneyland park i saw somebody trade a graded i worked there 50th pin for about $125 worth of pins. that was really cool. so it shows what you can
get for a graded pin (adds value) i think. As far as insurance you don't have to worrie about it cause these guys handle items well over $25,000 or more.
so i wouldn't worry about it.
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Posts: 19 (04/21/08 05:48 PM) |
coolmanforpinz wrote: I guess that really depends on the person you're trading with, too, though. Personally, I wouldn't trade more for a graded pin than I would for the exact same pin that wasn't graded. If people want to spend their money to go out and get their pins graded then that's their perogative, but I wouldn't do it myself. |
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Posts: 2462 (04/21/08 06:23 PM) Dizpins Ohana Member |
I'd still have question about the authenticity of the pin, graded or not. It still hasn't been answered HOW these people are qualified to grade the
pins. There was no talk of HOW they authenticate them either. Really unless you buy your pin direct from the park there can always be question...graded or not.
I would also not trade more for a graded pin. I don't want them in little airtight containers, so I wouldn't trade for them that way. Plus if I traded more, then pulled them out of the container...well that defeats the whole theorized point of grading.  
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Posts: 14886 (04/21/08 06:23 PM) Dizpins Book Chat Member |
Who is in charge of the grading system?
I know with coins there is a pretty standard grading system that is used across the board. Though to be honest, I don't really see a differnece in a Fine and a Very Fine condition. What value is a graded pin if there is no set grading system? If there was a standard system, I could see grading high end pins, but it would be useless and not cost effective for other pins. Also, my understanding of a grading system is in the condition. If the grading system doesn't include a way of determining authenticity then it is of no use. An extra-fine scrapper is still a scrapper. Who determines whether the grading agency know's what is and what is not authentic. I think I would only value something graded by Disney, and that is not likely to happen. If someone asked me to get a pin graded before trading, I'd say never mind, and decline the trade. It's just too much of a hassle. Just my 2 cents.
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Posts: 930 (04/21/08 06:56 PM) Electron Beams |
An I worked there for $125 in value? They got S.h.a.r.k.e.d big time
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